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		<title>By: Madas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t see your point :) i think identity changes with people and circumstances... for example, with refugees, they noticed that already the identy changes when people end up in this camp or that camp... the point is  you have a sense of belonging to the place you come from, but also to that one you live at... regardless of whether it is being called Arabs or Jordanians or Ammanis, or this camp or that camp... am i making any sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t see your point <img src='http://madas.jordanplanet.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  i think identity changes with people and circumstances&#8230; for example, with refugees, they noticed that already the identy changes when people end up in this camp or that camp&#8230; the point is  you have a sense of belonging to the place you come from, but also to that one you live at&#8230; regardless of whether it is being called Arabs or Jordanians or Ammanis, or this camp or that camp&#8230; am i making any sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaff Sassani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaff Sassani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are nothing wrong to feel nationalist if you really from that nation. The sad thing is that, the people outside of Saudi Arabia are not Arabs. The African are not Arabs. The Iraqi, Syrians and lebonan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are nothing wrong to feel nationalist if you really from that nation. The sad thing is that, the people outside of Saudi Arabia are not Arabs. The African are not Arabs. The Iraqi, Syrians and lebonan</p>
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		<title>By: nadimsolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadimsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope all is well with you ,I am truly wondering what kept you from your Journal ,and your readers ,as they say 3assa Maa Shaar ,Wa Kheer In Shallaah....,drop a line toassure those who care for you Mariam..

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope all is well with you ,I am truly wondering what kept you from your Journal ,and your readers ,as they say 3assa Maa Shaar ,Wa Kheer In Shallaah&#8230;.,drop a line toassure those who care for you Mariam..</p>
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		<title>By: nadimsolo</title>
		<link>http://madas.jordanplanet.org/2005/10/31/when-did-we-become-arabs-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1148</link>
		<dc:creator>nadimsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello ,I stopped by to chick on  you ,you have been away for quite some time ,trust all is well ,and await to read you soon .with care

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello ,I stopped by to chick on  you ,you have been away for quite some time ,trust all is well ,and await to read you soon .with care</p>
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		<title>By: nadimsolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadimsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks four your expressed interest in how we became Arab?such can be seen in a repeated action at a different era. And witnessed how it is subjecting a whole race the BARBERS OF NORTH AFRICAN  a  demographic Race subjected to action forceing them to  lose their roots to become/change for ARABS through Islam .If you are interested to read my summery views please check my Post BERBERS 4 Parts the one dated Aug 23 05 in my Blog Surfers Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/nadimsolo/
 if this dose not bore you go on to my Blog is a strange one .Take care nadim

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks four your expressed interest in how we became Arab?such can be seen in a repeated action at a different era. And witnessed how it is subjecting a whole race the BARBERS OF NORTH AFRICAN  a  demographic Race subjected to action forceing them to  lose their roots to become/change for ARABS through Islam .If you are interested to read my summery views please check my Post BERBERS 4 Parts the one dated Aug 23 05 in my Blog Surfers Journal <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/nadimsolo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.livejournal.com/users/nadimsolo/</a><br />
 if this dose not bore you go on to my Blog is a strange one .Take care nadim</p>
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		<title>By: madas</title>
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		<dc:creator>madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>long time no comment....

Wow, that was very informative... thank you very much. As many others i am very fascinated with this topic.

so thanks again

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>long time no comment&#8230;.</p>
<p>Wow, that was very informative&#8230; thank you very much. As many others i am very fascinated with this topic.</p>
<p>so thanks again</p>
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		<title>By: nadimsolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadimsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &quot;Arab&quot; or &quot;Arabian&quot; has been used to translate several different but similar sounding words in ancient and classical texts which do not necessarily have the same meaning or origin. The etymology of the term is of course closely linked to that of the place name &quot;Arabia&quot;.
Although the term mâtu arbâi in Assyrians texts is conventionally translated of Arab land, nothing is known with certainty about the exact location or extent of the land. In fact several different ethnonyms are found in Assyrian texts that are conventionally translated &quot;Arab&quot;: Arabi, Arubu, Aribi and Urbi. The presence of Proto-Arabic names amongst those qualified by the terms arguably justifies the translation &quot;Arab&quot; although it is not certain if they all in fact represent the same group.
Nabateanss, who spoke Arabic. who brought tribute to King Solomon. The word is typically translated Arabia and is the name for Arabia in Modern Hebrew . The people in question are understood to be the early Nabateanss who do indeed appear to have been a mix of different tribes. The medieval writer Ibn an-Nadimm, in Kitab al-Fihrist, derived the word from a Syriacc pun by Abrahamm on the same root: in his account, Abraham addresses Ishmaell and tells him u`rub, from Syriac `rob, &quot;. It is usually translated &quot;Arabian&quot; or &quot;Arab&quot; and was used in early 20th century Hebrew to mean Arab. 
One meaning of the word Arab in Arabic is clear; clear as in comprehensible rather than as in pure. Bedouin elders still use this term with the same meaning; those whose speech they comprehend (ie Arabic-speakers) they call Arab, and those whose speech is of unknown meaning to them, they call Ajamm . 
Another explanation derives the word from an old Semitic stem `.R.B., with a metathetical alternative `.B.R., both meaning travelling around the land, that is, nomadic. From that root, the terms Arab(Arabi) and Hebrew(Ebri), meaning nomads, are derived.
By the fourth century AD, the Arab kingdoms of the Lakhmids in southern Iraq and Ghassanids in southern Syria had emerged just south of the Fertile Crescent and, constantly at war, ended up allying respectively with the Sassani and Byzantine Empires. Their courts were responsible for some notable examples of pre-Islamic Arabic poetry, and for some of the few surviving pre-Islamic Arabic inscriptions in the Arabic alphabet. The Lakhmid kingdom was dissolved by the Sassanids in 602, while the Ghassanids would hold out until engulfed by the expansion of Islam.
During the 8th and 9th centuries, the Arabs (specifically the Umayyads and later Abbasids forged an empire whose borders touched southern France in the west, China in the east, Asia Minor in the north, and the Sudan in the south. This was one of the largest land empires in history. Throughout much of this area, the Arabs spread the religion of Islam and the Arabic language (the language of the Qur&apos;an through conversion and assimilation. Many groups came to be known as &quot;Arabs&quot; not through descent but through Arabization. Thus, over time, the term Arab came to carry a broader meaning than the original ethnic term. Many Arabs in Sudan, Morocco, Algeria and elsewhere became Arab through cultural diffusion.

For further intersting reading you can check this linc::
http://www.brow.on.ca/Articles/ArabsBible.html
May be starnge and un coth ,but it is worth reading

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;Arab&#8221; or &#8220;Arabian&#8221; has been used to translate several different but similar sounding words in ancient and classical texts which do not necessarily have the same meaning or origin. The etymology of the term is of course closely linked to that of the place name &#8220;Arabia&#8221;.<br />
Although the term mâtu arbâi in Assyrians texts is conventionally translated of Arab land, nothing is known with certainty about the exact location or extent of the land. In fact several different ethnonyms are found in Assyrian texts that are conventionally translated &#8220;Arab&#8221;: Arabi, Arubu, Aribi and Urbi. The presence of Proto-Arabic names amongst those qualified by the terms arguably justifies the translation &#8220;Arab&#8221; although it is not certain if they all in fact represent the same group.<br />
Nabateanss, who spoke Arabic. who brought tribute to King Solomon. The word is typically translated Arabia and is the name for Arabia in Modern Hebrew . The people in question are understood to be the early Nabateanss who do indeed appear to have been a mix of different tribes. The medieval writer Ibn an-Nadimm, in Kitab al-Fihrist, derived the word from a Syriacc pun by Abrahamm on the same root: in his account, Abraham addresses Ishmaell and tells him u`rub, from Syriac `rob, &#8220;. It is usually translated &#8220;Arabian&#8221; or &#8220;Arab&#8221; and was used in early 20th century Hebrew to mean Arab.<br />
One meaning of the word Arab in Arabic is clear; clear as in comprehensible rather than as in pure. Bedouin elders still use this term with the same meaning; those whose speech they comprehend (ie Arabic-speakers) they call Arab, and those whose speech is of unknown meaning to them, they call Ajamm .<br />
Another explanation derives the word from an old Semitic stem `.R.B., with a metathetical alternative `.B.R., both meaning travelling around the land, that is, nomadic. From that root, the terms Arab(Arabi) and Hebrew(Ebri), meaning nomads, are derived.<br />
By the fourth century AD, the Arab kingdoms of the Lakhmids in southern Iraq and Ghassanids in southern Syria had emerged just south of the Fertile Crescent and, constantly at war, ended up allying respectively with the Sassani and Byzantine Empires. Their courts were responsible for some notable examples of pre-Islamic Arabic poetry, and for some of the few surviving pre-Islamic Arabic inscriptions in the Arabic alphabet. The Lakhmid kingdom was dissolved by the Sassanids in 602, while the Ghassanids would hold out until engulfed by the expansion of Islam.<br />
During the 8th and 9th centuries, the Arabs (specifically the Umayyads and later Abbasids forged an empire whose borders touched southern France in the west, China in the east, Asia Minor in the north, and the Sudan in the south. This was one of the largest land empires in history. Throughout much of this area, the Arabs spread the religion of Islam and the Arabic language (the language of the Qur&apos;an through conversion and assimilation. Many groups came to be known as &#8220;Arabs&#8221; not through descent but through Arabization. Thus, over time, the term Arab came to carry a broader meaning than the original ethnic term. Many Arabs in Sudan, Morocco, Algeria and elsewhere became Arab through cultural diffusion.</p>
<p>For further intersting reading you can check this linc::<br />
<a href="http://www.brow.on.ca/Articles/ArabsBible.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.brow.on.ca/Articles/ArabsBible.html</a><br />
May be starnge and un coth ,but it is worth reading</p>
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		<title>By: madas</title>
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		<dc:creator>madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe surprised at my own ignorance...pensive... well i am always in a pensive mood...surprised is just a break from the usual routine :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe surprised at my own ignorance&#8230;pensive&#8230; well i am always in a pensive mood&#8230;surprised is just a break from the usual routine <img src='http://madas.jordanplanet.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&apos;m not sure why you were in a surprised mood when you composed this post about the Arabs ! I would think that a pensive mood would have been a lot more appropriate.
 
Arabs since the dawn of time were, still are, and will always be identified with the Bedouin,and pastoral type life style. I understand that they have come a long way since the advent of oil and all that, but still, even with all of the premeditations that they have gone through, they are still imbued with the truculent logo.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&apos;m not sure why you were in a surprised mood when you composed this post about the Arabs ! I would think that a pensive mood would have been a lot more appropriate.</p>
<p>Arabs since the dawn of time were, still are, and will always be identified with the Bedouin,and pastoral type life style. I understand that they have come a long way since the advent of oil and all that, but still, even with all of the premeditations that they have gone through, they are still imbued with the truculent logo.</p>
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		<title>By: madas</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow thankd, that was really easy:)

Wll, you need to have an identity to start with in livejournal.com ,if you are in other places it wont work. so if you have an ID here, you go to livejournal user and write your name and password.

If you are not a livejournal person, you could either write your own page, in the Iodentity URL. and if you dont have one anywhere, you go to Anonymous and grace us with your signiture at the end of the post :)

I hope I answer you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow thankd, that was really easy:)</p>
<p>Wll, you need to have an identity to start with in livejournal.com ,if you are in other places it wont work. so if you have an ID here, you go to livejournal user and write your name and password.</p>
<p>If you are not a livejournal person, you could either write your own page, in the Iodentity URL. and if you dont have one anywhere, you go to Anonymous and grace us with your signiture at the end of the post <img src='http://madas.jordanplanet.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope I answer you.</p>
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