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		<title>By: madas</title>
		<link>http://madas.jordanplanet.org/2005/06/05/society-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator>madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it was just a thought that crossed my mind...and thought i should share... by the way... I hear Dr. Shahrour is an amazing writer, who does not go by the main stream islamic ideaology.... is he really?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was just a thought that crossed my mind&#8230;and thought i should share&#8230; by the way&#8230; I hear Dr. Shahrour is an amazing writer, who does not go by the main stream islamic ideaology&#8230;. is he really?</p>
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		<title>By: nadimsolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadimsolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apology for the spur-of-the-moment nitwit,agree with you , cyber can be nuisance like in my case of unintended  disruption .point taken and lesson gained on how to measure my limits.I sincerely mean it.take care.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apology for the spur-of-the-moment nitwit,agree with you , cyber can be nuisance like in my case of unintended  disruption .point taken and lesson gained on how to measure my limits.I sincerely mean it.take care.</p>
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		<title>By: madas</title>
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		<dc:creator>madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 02:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you got me there for a split of a second...but i knew it was a joke... in all cases I realised how menacing cyber space can be, and for this i will say thankful

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you got me there for a split of a second&#8230;but i knew it was a joke&#8230; in all cases I realised how menacing cyber space can be, and for this i will say thankful</p>
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		<title>By: madas</title>
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		<dc:creator>madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jameed, you always manage to make me smile... actually what you said is true married or unmarried, free spirited or not, women or men who are starving for attention do this because they have nothing to give (intellectual, education, job,achievement...etc)....they are poor internally... mashallah 3aliek lama7! which means bright! have a nice day...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jameed, you always manage to make me smile&#8230; actually what you said is true married or unmarried, free spirited or not, women or men who are starving for attention do this because they have nothing to give (intellectual, education, job,achievement&#8230;etc)&#8230;.they are poor internally&#8230; mashallah 3aliek lama7! which means bright! have a nice day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your observation about the 40-something lady is true and i have certainly noticed it more than a few times. The behavior may have been sub-consciously exacerbated by the fact that the lady, as a &quot;spinster&quot; in an Arab community, is desperate for attention. I am not saying all unmarried woman in Arab societies are desperate for attention, but I am certain that many of the ones that have nothing to show for (intellect, education, job, achievement,..etc.) are. The same behavior is also noticeable from older ladies married who think they are &quot;free-spirited&quot;. I believe that such ladies are influenced by what they see from the younger generation and somehow they refuse to acknowledge their maturity. Just like the older grandpa who drives a red convertible Porsche, this behavior is a sign of the female mid-life crisis. 

I think people should “yesta7i 3ala sheibit-hom”.

-jameed, whose wife thinks is going to hit mid-life crisis so bad he may actually become another case of &quot;American Beauty&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your observation about the 40-something lady is true and i have certainly noticed it more than a few times. The behavior may have been sub-consciously exacerbated by the fact that the lady, as a &#8220;spinster&#8221; in an Arab community, is desperate for attention. I am not saying all unmarried woman in Arab societies are desperate for attention, but I am certain that many of the ones that have nothing to show for (intellect, education, job, achievement,..etc.) are. The same behavior is also noticeable from older ladies married who think they are &#8220;free-spirited&#8221;. I believe that such ladies are influenced by what they see from the younger generation and somehow they refuse to acknowledge their maturity. Just like the older grandpa who drives a red convertible Porsche, this behavior is a sign of the female mid-life crisis. </p>
<p>I think people should “yesta7i 3ala sheibit-hom”.</p>
<p>-jameed, whose wife thinks is going to hit mid-life crisis so bad he may actually become another case of &#8220;American Beauty&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: madas</title>
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		<dc:creator>madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The change is there, whether we see it or not yet... it might be slow, but it is there... i agree about this happeneing first to certain families, but these same families are accepting more, and the other families are accepting more as well... and it is not because they want to but because they have to...we dont live in isolation, sometimes things happen and we dont have control over them... forced by economy, environemnt, politics... etc....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The change is there, whether we see it or not yet&#8230; it might be slow, but it is there&#8230; i agree about this happeneing first to certain families, but these same families are accepting more, and the other families are accepting more as well&#8230; and it is not because they want to but because they have to&#8230;we dont live in isolation, sometimes things happen and we dont have control over them&#8230; forced by economy, environemnt, politics&#8230; etc&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: madas</title>
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		<dc:creator>madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... Thank you very much, looking forward to reading your comments.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; Thank you very much, looking forward to reading your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: madas</title>
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		<dc:creator>madas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, i know. but we need to look at the positive side, we need to be the pioneers who push other women to change their environment... One of my friends used to say... create your own reality... once we start believeing in this... things will change for everyone

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, i know. but we need to look at the positive side, we need to be the pioneers who push other women to change their environment&#8230; One of my friends used to say&#8230; create your own reality&#8230; once we start believeing in this&#8230; things will change for everyone</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truely hope you&apos;re right about the society changing. I know I sound pessimistic amd passive but I don&apos;t see any considerable change. Those who made it are probably coming from families in which parents are understanding, I&apos;m yet to see an example of a woman who made it on her own despite of all the pressures and disapproval of the parents.

Any change in behavior that doesn&apos;t accompany a change in mentality is useless to say the least, some can be very harmful. What we need is to change minds in order to accomplish our objective, otherwise changes in behaviors are nothing but a destruction to our morals and values as Arabs. We need to change our culturally manipulated beliefs and at the same time stick to our religionally-formed beliefs.

Thanks for the great post Madas.

SC

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truely hope you&apos;re right about the society changing. I know I sound pessimistic amd passive but I don&apos;t see any considerable change. Those who made it are probably coming from families in which parents are understanding, I&apos;m yet to see an example of a woman who made it on her own despite of all the pressures and disapproval of the parents.</p>
<p>Any change in behavior that doesn&apos;t accompany a change in mentality is useless to say the least, some can be very harmful. What we need is to change minds in order to accomplish our objective, otherwise changes in behaviors are nothing but a destruction to our morals and values as Arabs. We need to change our culturally manipulated beliefs and at the same time stick to our religionally-formed beliefs.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great post Madas.</p>
<p>SC</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&apos;ve been meaning to comment on your blog for a while, but you keep posting these deep and thoughtful subjects that a guy has to be in the right mood to be able to post an equally deep and thoughtful comment. I just haven&apos;t been in that mood for quite sometime, so, for now, I&apos;ll just say that I enjoy reading your blog a lot, and I&apos;ll save my depth and thoughtfulness for a future comment, itha Allah rad.

- Ziad

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&apos;ve been meaning to comment on your blog for a while, but you keep posting these deep and thoughtful subjects that a guy has to be in the right mood to be able to post an equally deep and thoughtful comment. I just haven&apos;t been in that mood for quite sometime, so, for now, I&apos;ll just say that I enjoy reading your blog a lot, and I&apos;ll save my depth and thoughtfulness for a future comment, itha Allah rad.</p>
<p>- Ziad</p>
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